- This topic has 8 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 8 months, 3 weeks ago by
.
-
Posts
-
How to best structure Renovation or Adaptive Reuse projects containing multiple Design Options?
How do you show if in design Option 1 a wall remains, while in Option 2 the wall will be demolished?
I want to avoid creating separate models, so I can use the same scene settings/views to compare the options.
First question, are you trying to create ConDoc plans from the different options or use the model to display these different options? Based on my knowledge and experience with ConDocs it’s not really possible with the stock plan generator/scene creating tools. The ConDoc plan generator is intended for automated scene export to Layout. I’ve done this in the past but only used my model for display, I basically created option one by tagging everything with my ConDoc tags as I normally would then I grouped all the components in Option One into a group. I then created a Sketchup tag for Option1 and tagged the group I just created for option 1 with that tag. Do that for each of the different options 1, 2, 3 etc. Now use the Sketchup tag to turn off and leave on the option you want to see. Hope that helps
Something else to consider is you’ll most likely end with some duplicate items. In your post you gave the example of walls in one design option remaining and in another being demolished. In this case in one option the wall would most likely be tagged Level_01 / ELEMENT_Walls / LOCATION_Interior / Condition_Existing and in the second option Level_01 / ELEMENT_Walls / LOCATION_Interior / Condition_Demolish. This wall would have to be duplicated in your model
Thank you for your reply!
First step is a life model I can “walk the client through” and putting together a presentation in Layout for recap.
Second step is developing the chosen option further and creating a permit and construction set out of it.
Currently I am Using the Outliner to keep my Options organized, but since I am still kind of new to ConDoc I wonder how to set myself up for success with these more complex projects. I considered adding custom Tags for the various options to my Condoc Tags, but I still don’t know how it works if for example the same wall remains existing in Option 1 while being demolished in Option 2?? Or would these new Option Tags live outside the ConDoc and therefore not be controlled by it? but that would also mean they do not get exported?? I am confused…
If your elements exist as multiple conditions then they will be duplicated. If the same wall exists as different CONDITIONS in the different options than it will be duplicated. There’s no way that I know where you can ConDoc tag more than one LEVEL, ELEMENT, LOCATION, CONDITION to any object. Hence the need for duplication.
ConDoc tags stand alone from SketchUp tags. If using Outliner is working for you then that’s fine. It sounds like your trying to accomplish some things that ConDocs is not suited to doing out of the box. If your goal is to automate the entire process you will definitely need to create some ConDoc tags and modify the appropriate ConDoc scenes in settings to automate. Once you know what option you are developing for CD’s I would save the current model to a new model, strip out the options you aren’t going to use and then tag everything as Level_XX, Element_XX. LOCATION_Exterior, Interior or Site and CONDITION_Demolished, Existing or New. Generate your plans with the ConDoc plan generator and then export to Layot and move on with your CD’s.
I’ve considered modifying ConDoc’s for options as your describing but decided it was easier to have an individual model for each option. Especially sense you’re trying to export them to use in Layout. The rabbit hole can get deep if you allow it and that was the main reason I do this in separate/duplicate models now. When I looked in that rabbit hole I didn’t see the bottom and new it would be a very significant investment that I couldn’t justify knowing I would still have to duplicate things
Hopefully Mike B chimes in. He may have a solution that I’ve yet considered
Yes, the rabbit hole is indeed very deep. Thank you for explaining how you are handling this, very helpful in the decision-making how to proceed. But… Just as I am writing this there is another approach popping up in my head. It *might be possible* to come up with a Set of ConDoc tags called Design Options (instead of Architect, Interior or Flex) that has CONDITION _Existing 1 + Existing 2, _Demolish 1 + Demolish 2, _New 1+ New 2…
It is not just a rabbit hole… it is more like a black hole… Yes, Mike B if you read this, I would love to hear your take on this AKA. an automated drawing set that allows us in the SD phase of a renovation or adaptive reuse project to automate those conceptual diagrams, plans and perspectives… Having a set like that would be life-changing!
Kathrin …… that’s an approach I hadn’t thought of and that rabbit hole doesn’t seem anywhere near as deep. I think you could create tags Option1, Option2 and Option3 under ConDocs. Create a copy of the scene set you want to assign in the Configurator, and set the tags for you option 1, 2, 3 for the option you are creating. You would end with 3 or more copies of each of those plan sets with the only difference being the option tag set. Might worth trying to do one and see where it leads. It’s works and the development time is relatively short then creating additional options won’t be such a huge talk. Hopefully Mike B chimes in with some good ideas or even better would be an out of box solution in the version 5.2 or 6.
My head is spinning! 😉 I’m with Ruben on this, my first instinct is to separate the options out into different models. Especially for a renovation.
In order to tag walls as demolished, you need to modify the existing walls. So in order to keep all options in one model, you would need to duplicate the entire existing conditions model several times and tag each one with custom ConDoc tags Option A, B, C, etc. You could have a drawing set that is specific to each option… but at that point I think it would be much easier to just make a perfect existing conditions model, then save copy as, and start designing option A.
I think there’s a possibility this would work with new construction… unfortunately renovations get so complicated!
Good news, by next weds we are launching ConDoc 5.2 with multi-level and multi-location tagging functionality. It’s slick!!!
Let me know if that solves it… We can dig way into this on Thursday office hours!? Talk soon!
Mike
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.