Very concerned (or confused) about the new CONDITION tags

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    Jean-Luc Vaillant

    Upgraded to V4 about a week ago and painstakingly updated my model to use the new tags and organisation.

    I understand from the manual that, for a remodel, “FINAL” = NEW + EXISTING and “OLD” = EXISTING + DEMOLISHED.

    My problem is that having the condition tag at the very end of the tree end us a practical nightmare

    • for my final render to look right I have the constantly hide the lines between existing elements and new elements (since they are no longer in the same group)
    • moving/modifying a window or door on a existing wall requires me to demolish the whole wall (because of the opening)
    • similar issue if I need to move a piece of furniture… it has to be removed from existing, place into demolished before I can put it back in new!

    I understand than having a precise demolition is great but I feel this went too far. I would suggest leaving having NEW and EXISTING be BEFORE LEVEL and define “FINAL” as NEW and “OLD” = EXISTING + DEMOLISHED. If I don’t want to bother with keeping track of DEMOLISHED, I still get a workable model for FINAL.. I would leave DEMOLISHED as the end tag for EXISTING elements. I would no longer view my demolition scope in skechup but I would still get it in Layout. And I could still get a sense of what I forgot to demolish but displaying both NEW and EXISTING minus DEMOLISHED.

    Thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated.


    Mike Brightman

    Jean Luc!  So sorry for any headaches on transitioning to ConDoc 4.  First, I would not recommend moving a project from 3 to 4…  It is recommended to finish projects in 3, then start new projects in 4.  Although if you fully understand deleting and repathing layers, it is not too hard to migrate a project.

    I eliminated the 2 model demo plan solution because it caused a ton of confusion, and often the views didn’t sync up if the plan generator was not run at the right time.  Once again, easy to fix if you know exactly how to do it.  The new one model solution is much more straight forward.  I still recommend building out the entire existing conditions model, then save as proposed.  This way you always have a running record of what was there.

    Some other answers…

    • this was always the case, even in condoc 3.
    • Try using the free zorro tool to slice chunks of your model and move them to the demolished group.
    • not sure what you mean here…  if you are demo’ing an object, just cut from the existing group and paste into the demo group.

    Truth be told you could switch things around as you describe and it will work just fine!  I like to keep the “condition” at the end of the line so my scope diagram works.  We are working on a large office remodel right now that reminded me of how useful that is!

    I promise ConDoc 4 is a huge leap forward.  Don’t hesitate to call me on my cell if a discussion will help…  Thanks for your support!





    I switched to v4 and have not had any issues with the layers…make sure your  condition layer (demolished,existing or new) is nested accurately as the plan generator is very sensitive to this. Keep to LELC…Level,Element,Location,Condition.

    You can even try the configuration to customise your own layers ,line weights and scenes to fine tune your drawings…for example to create an Elevation that shows parts of the building to be demolished.I must say you have to understand the system of grouping/nesting/layering throughly before you tackle customisation….the effort is worth it to fully get the most out of CONDOC V4.

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